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Celtic Angel
04-12-07, 12:39
Hi All
I've been reading the pages and pages of concerns over the PEV exam yesterday morning - none of which made me feel any better! I've also just read the thread on the main forum page (the one telling us not to post too early due to other students sitting it in other parts of the world etc). There is a link on there for you to give your feedback on the exam - its a quick multi-choice thing that took a few minutes - so I suggest that we all post how we found the paper so the examining body know exactly how we feel about it all! There is also a direct email address to give specific feedback on the same!
Again specific gripes need to be put to the examiners - at the end of the day we can all console one another but I for one want someone to sit up and take notice that there are many of us who simply aren't happy with the exam! I'm going to attempt to put the link here for the exam feedback thread here http://www.aat.org.uk/surveys/examsstudentfeedback/ the e-mail address for direct comments is examfeedback@aat.org.uk - apparently we have until the 21 December to make our feelings felt!
Celtic Angel
05-12-07, 13:00
bump
Paul Bowen
05-12-07, 13:39
Thanks CA.
If anyone wants to use the email address CA's posted to send comment, could I ask you please to complete the questionnaire first? This gives us lots of good and useable data.
Also, if you send comment on any paper (which we do encourage) please can you make sure it's specific? Statements that the paper was "horrible" or "not what I was expecting" or that you found it difficult to understand, are perfectly valid comment on a MB, but aren't a lot of use to the Exam Review Panel (ERP) or to the Chief Assessors in preparing future papers. Please give reasons and examples; it may help to wait until you've reread the papers (they'll be on the site next week) before you feed back.
Cheers
Paul Bowen (AAT Exams)
Thanks CA.
If anyone wants to use the email address CA's posted to send comment, could I ask you please to complete the questionnaire first? This gives us lots of good and useable data.
Also, if you send comment on any paper (which we do encourage) please can you make sure it's specific? Statements that the paper was "horrible" or "not what I was expecting" or that you found it difficult to understand, are perfectly valid comment on a MB, but aren't a lot of use to the Exam Review Panel (ERP) or to the Chief Assessors in preparing future papers. Please give reasons and examples; it may help to wait until you've reread the papers (they'll be on the site next week) before you feed back.
Cheers
Paul Bowen (AAT Exams)
Will the answers be on the site next week too or do we have to wait until we get our results for that?
purplegirl
05-12-07, 14:35
Answers are usually released a week or 2 before the results.
Paul Bowen
05-12-07, 15:12
Will the answers be on the site next week too or do we have to wait until we get our results for that?
Answers will go up late Feb/early Mar.
purplegirl
05-12-07, 23:32
Oh, last year we got the answers before the results.
Paul Bowen
06-12-07, 16:00
Oh, last year we got the answers before the results.Perhaps you saw suggested answers posted by a tutor before results came out? We've never published answers prior to results.
Perhaps you saw suggested answers posted by a tutor before results came out? We've never published answers prior to results.
Just a quick question: can you please advise me whether it is acceptable to pencil in the answers to questions first and then overwrite them with pen near the end? And what if for example I've completed all tasks in pencil first and than run out of time overriting it with pen and did only first half (Task 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3) of the exam paper in pen? (the rest of the exam paper completed in pencil...)
Paul Bowen
06-12-07, 16:23
Just a quick question: can you please advise me whether it is acceptable to pencil in the answers to questions first and then overwrite them with pen near the end? And what if for example I've completed all tasks in pencil first and than run out of time overriting it with pen and did only first half (Task 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3) of the exam paper in pen? (the rest of the exam paper completed in pencil...)Hi Jelena. You can overwrite, if you really want to write it all twice! We don't recommend pencil as it more easily smudges or fades, compromising legibility. That's why we recommend black ink only. But we mark all scripts, whatever writing implement(s) the candidate uses*.
*Not lipstick though, we draw the line at lipstick ;)
I wrote in blue pen will I lose marks?
It only says "preferably black ink" in the exam notes I think. I always use blue ..
Paul Bowen
06-12-07, 17:34
I wrote in blue pen will I lose marks?
I think you're joking but, just in case, no of course not.
@cortez: The wording on the covers is "We strongly recommend that you use a pen rather than a pencil." We don't say black on the cover because we want to avoid causing panic in candidates who only have blue. But as I said, if it's legible, we mark it.
Do you decuct marks if we dont attempt to answer a question?
Paul Bowen
06-12-07, 19:19
Do you decuct marks if we dont attempt to answer a question?No we don't.
because I forgot to do one question and for one of the ratios i calcualted it the wrong way round and in the report I forget to write who it was from. What are the chances of me failing based on those mistakes?
Clairelou85
06-12-07, 20:23
Hi
I think that the paper on monday was really shocking! it was nothing like the past papers and think that it needs to be reviewed before June 08 exam (think i will be re-sitting) everyone i have spoken to thought it was hard and badly worded (got really confused). the comments on here need to be reflected in the marks and the future papers that students are going to be taking the exam, dont like being a guinny pig!!!
my rant over for today people off to revise for tomorrow :001_tt2:
This paper was like none of the previous past papers we'd practised, there was too much written work to do, i seem to remember three reports!! Not too mention two profit and loss accounts. Ok so we got off lightly with the variances but they made up for it with the rest of the paper. :mad2:
Paul Bowen
07-12-07, 09:37
because I forgot to do one question and for one of the ratios i calcualted it the wrong way round and in the report I forget to write who it was from. What are the chances of me failing based on those mistakes?I can't start making pass/fail predictions on the basis of your recollection of your script.
Paul Bowen
07-12-07, 09:42
Hi
I think that the paper on monday was really shocking! it was nothing like the past papers and think that it needs to be reviewed before June 08 exam (think i will be re-sitting) everyone i have spoken to thought it was hard and badly worded (got really confused). the comments on here need to be reflected in the marks and the future papers that students are going to be taking the exam, dont like being a guinny pig!!!
my rant over for today people off to revise for tomorrow :001_tt2:
Hi Clairelou. Whichever exam you're talking about please tell us what you think via the exam feedback questionnaires (http://www.aat.org.uk/surveys/examsstudentfeedback/). At the end there's an email address where you can give detailed feedback on the wording - please be specific about what wording you found difficult. The papers are on the site next week if you want to remind yourself.
Cheers.
I also found the PEV exam "challenging" (for want of a better word). There was a lot of ground to cover in 3 hours and a lot of writing.
My comment here is really about the online feedback questionnaires (and I've emailed this in too). Having sat two exams this week, I now find it difficult to remember speficially which task was which in each paper, and therefore it's hard to fill in the questionnaire accurately.
The questionnaire could be more effective if there was a reminder of the content of each task - eg Task 1.1 - calculation & analysis of variances, packing dept, which would serve as an (unpleasant!) reminder of each bit of the exam.
Just my £0.05 worth. (budget: £0.02 variance: £0.03 adverse)
Em
I also found the PEV exam "challenging" (for want of a better word). There was a lot of ground to cover in 3 hours and a lot of writing.
My comment here is really about the online feedback questionnaires (and I've emailed this in too). Having sat two exams this week, I now find it difficult to remember speficially which task was which in each paper, and therefore it's hard to fill in the questionnaire accurately.
The questionnaire could be more effective if there was a reminder of the content of each task - eg Task 1.1 - calculation & analysis of variances, packing dept, which would serve as an (unpleasant!) reminder of each bit of the exam.
Just my £0.05 worth. (budget: £0.02 variance: £0.03 adverse)
Em
:lol:
Anyway, the question papers will be online next week for that very purpose. Just hold off completing the questionnaire until then :001_smile: Or complete it again if you already have and it lets you.
sebastianforbes
07-12-07, 20:04
hey paul (mr bowen),
it's not too often that something makes you laugh around exam time, especially when someone from authority is involved...
but your comment regarding lipstick hit the spot ! well done !!!
who said accountant's are boring and square ?!!
Paul Bowen
12-12-07, 09:17
hey paul (mr bowen),
it's not too often that something makes you laugh around exam time, especially when someone from authority is involved...
but your comment regarding lipstick hit the spot ! well done !!!
who said accountant's are boring and square ?!!
Cheers fella!
I have also written to the AAT complaining about the wording in the whole exam. Especially regarding the closing stock.
I think the AAT wanted us to fail!:mad: No wonder employers seem to see the AAT qualification as a laughing stock.
Hiya,
Hope your well,
I was wondering if you could help me, im really stuck!
June 2006 the budgeted operating statement, how did they get opening stock to be 17750
& on June 2006 the question where the cost of production adds up to 757040
Where did these figures come from!!
Hope you can help
James
Your entry on this thread raises a question.
Are you refering to the PCR exam paper in June 2006 - Sigma and Theta at Nutpin Ltd?
Or have these figures cropped up in a PEV paper?
If you can clear this up and be a little more specific about the tasks I'm sure I can help or other forumites may wish to help.
Theta cost of production is made up ass follows
Cost of materials (calculated by units produced x kg per unit grossed up for wastage x cost per kg)
Labour cost (units produced divided by units per hour x rate per hour)
Production overhead (units produced divided by units per hour x overhead absorption rate cper labour hour)
Total (These 3 figures added up)
Hi, i dont understand why did the examinor chose to prepare exams very hard this time... the PEV paper that i sat for in december 2007 was no where near similar to any other past papers... its not fair on us who ever sat for the exams and didnt pass.... it was a shock when i saw the paper... i was like i hope i am not going nuts over here..... this has actually put me off from studies and wondering whether i will be able to sit for 3 exams in June!!!! i was very dissapointed with the examinor!!!! :thumbdown::mad2::crying::thumbdown:
ssneha7
I can understand that you would be disappointed that you did not pass, but I am not sure that you can blame the examiner.
The examiner must test your ability to demonstrate the performance criteria and range statements and the knowledge and understanding as given in the student record.
He did that, and did it in a way that flowed well and (in my opinion) made sense.
In many ways he should not use the same style of question each time, as that could lead to candidates not demonstrating anything more than an ability to regurgitate something from another paper rather than true understanding in the context of a new scenario.
I can sympathise with anyone who is teaching themselves using textbooks and past papers, but anyone who is attending a taught course will probably be getting more of an explanation of why certain approaches are taken to certain questions rather than just how to do the answer, and will also look at the standards much more and at the sorts of questions that could come up rather than just what have come up.
Remember the weakness of a historical based forecasting approach such as linear regression or time series is the assumption that you can look at the past to predict the future. This is just as true with exams as with sales forecasts and prices.
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